If a householder questions how millions of species could fit on Noah's ark, that householder is an apostate!
Billy the Ex-Bethelite
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Are you really an Apostate, according to the WT ?
by Phizzy inperusing the coverage of the 2013 dc spewings about apostates, the wt claims that apostates are "liars" and speak "twisted things".
this is their definition of apostates.. now, the reality is that sites such as paul's excellent jwfacts.com, books like coc and isocf, by ray franz, the works of olaf jonsson, penton and others, all write what is true !.
we are careful on here to present that which is true, at least i hope we are !.
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Are you really an Apostate, according to the WT ?
by Phizzy inperusing the coverage of the 2013 dc spewings about apostates, the wt claims that apostates are "liars" and speak "twisted things".
this is their definition of apostates.. now, the reality is that sites such as paul's excellent jwfacts.com, books like coc and isocf, by ray franz, the works of olaf jonsson, penton and others, all write what is true !.
we are careful on here to present that which is true, at least i hope we are !.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
If the congregation accounts servant observes that the multi-billion dollar WT Corporation books are never reported and publicly audited while their puny congregation accounts are publicly reported, scrutinized, audited, and combed through by the CO, that accounts servant is an apostate!
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Are you really an Apostate, according to the WT ?
by Phizzy inperusing the coverage of the 2013 dc spewings about apostates, the wt claims that apostates are "liars" and speak "twisted things".
this is their definition of apostates.. now, the reality is that sites such as paul's excellent jwfacts.com, books like coc and isocf, by ray franz, the works of olaf jonsson, penton and others, all write what is true !.
we are careful on here to present that which is true, at least i hope we are !.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
If a Jewish householder asks why JWs allow their children to die from lack of medical treatment based on a simple dietary restriction of the Mosaic Law, that householder is an apostate!
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Are you really an Apostate, according to the WT ?
by Phizzy inperusing the coverage of the 2013 dc spewings about apostates, the wt claims that apostates are "liars" and speak "twisted things".
this is their definition of apostates.. now, the reality is that sites such as paul's excellent jwfacts.com, books like coc and isocf, by ray franz, the works of olaf jonsson, penton and others, all write what is true !.
we are careful on here to present that which is true, at least i hope we are !.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
If a child is molested by a JW and the parents call the police rather than calling the elders, those parents are apostates.
And if an elder should call the police first rather than calling WT Corp. Legal Dept. first, he is an apostate.
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We Are Disgusting!
by LouBelle inso this is a follow up to the thread started regarding the contact that some jw family members made through my aunt.
they wanted funds to put my grandmother (phylis) into an all inclusive old age home.
they wanted contributions from my aunt and mother.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
Watchtower has been selling so much property, they should be able to help support all the aging dubs that never saved for retirement because the end was sooo close back in 1969!
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Moving out, away and starting a new post JW life
by OneDayillBeFree inrecently at my last meeting, an older brother "in good standing" got disfellowshipped.. sitting only two seats away from him, i saw as he burst into tears as lifelong friends and family began their shunning and immediate gossip in the form of whispers came up from above the brothers and sisters in the kingdom hall.
i felt like giving him a hug and telling him that it was going to be okay and that whatever the reason for his disfellowshipment was, it didnt matter and that god still loved him but before i could muscle up enough courage to do so, he stood up in tears and left.. i shed a few silent tears for him.
i didn't see anyone else do the same.. it was at that moment that i realized without a doubt that living this way is just not worth it at all.. so i've thought about it long and hard and now i just want to move far away and just start new again.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
I moved about 2 hours away to university in a big city.
Earlier when I was removed as an elder, it had been rather ugly, so the BoE was glad to see me go. I got only one text from the secretary asking for an address to send my card, but I didn't respond. I had some carefully worded conversations with my parents and am otherwise on good terms with them now and visit them every few weeks. There's plenty to talk about besides religion, much to the disappointment of WT Corp. One of the noteworthy tactics in my case was that I'd suffered terribly with depression and my life was going nowhere while I was there attending meetings. Since I moved away, I've become much more cheerful, talkative, interesting, and "normal". My parents can't deny that I'm much better off now.
There's been a lot of psychology that I've used in trying to keep contact with those I want to, and losing many of those that I don't want anything more to deal with. If you think I can help, send me a PM.
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A little update
by Bucholz inhello everybody, even though i don't post a lot, i visit and read the threads on this site quite frequently.. wanted to give you a little update and ask for some advice at the same time.
since my exit, about 2 years ago, everything had been almost perfect.
i was living on my own, making new friends, elders from my old hall weren't bothering me at all, i was enjoying life.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
"Once she went as far as to say that she would "pick up my remains after Armaggedon"."
I can't imagine my mother saying that. I'd probably reply with the warning that I'd sooner be picking out her nursing home before that would happen.
I'd recommend moving out in order to save your own sanity. Based on the experiences in my own family, you might try to keep the communication open by calling at least once a week and visiting every third week, or so. That's worked for me. And my suggestion would be to not talk about JW stuff at all unless they bring it up. In my situation, I've practiced my reactions so that when they start talking about WT, I stop talking and the conversation turns back around to other things. I used to practice what I'd say if the parents became confrontational. After a very few conversations I learned the right buttons so that they don't bother with it anymore. In my case, my parents are older and would be terribly lonely if I didn't keep in touch.
In your case, the family is getting "love-bombed" now. It's hard to fight that, since you'll only sound like a bitter "apostate" if you say anything negative about their 'fast friends.' I'd suggest that you back off and give it some time. The love-bombing only goes on for a limited time before the cult increases the demands on time, money, and energy from them. In the meantime, make the most of your life outside the cult. Show them that you're not trying to persecute them, but show them that you're happy without the cult. Once you start filling your life with positive things, nice people, and have interesting things to tell them about, then you can show them that the "love-bombing" they've been getting at the KH isn't such a big deal.
As far as crossing paths with JWs, maybe I inherited really good conversation skills, but I'm always prepared to wow them with conversation. In my case, since I still visit with my parents often, they mention various goings-on with the people in their congregation. So if I happen to be down and see dubs while I'm in the store, I don't avoid them. Rather, I engage them in conversation about work, kids, etc. Personally, I've never had the experience where they make an issue about my no longer attending. Frankly, if any of them did, they would probably be afraid that I'd bring up about their own children or other family members that are DFd, in jail, going through divorce, etc.
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So the renovation in my old territory is kinda odd...
by sosoconfused inso my old area back east was looking for property to build a new hall for literally 30 years but could never procure anything.. well after constantly trying and getting nowhere they decided to just renovate in a major way the old hall.. the old hall could seat 135 in the front and about 20 in the second school.
for a totally of 150+ people.
the only issue was there was no real "elders room" to meet in.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
Reducing the auditorium from 135 seats to 90 seats will help make it look more full despite dwindling attendance. So much for "theocracy's increase."
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Hi to all, new one here
by Rambo Morris III inhi!.
been reading this forum for 2 years and this site has been great help for me.. currently my situation is difficult, im slowly fading and trying to make new friends outside jw.. i fear of losing many friends and family members, but i know that some point i just have to do it, its my life not theirs.. havent attendet meetings for 2 years now, life is better and instead waiting armageddon, im planning future to myself.
i will tell more about my situations when im ready for it.... .
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
Welcome Rambo!
Are you any relation to Tony Morris da turd?
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-26-2013 WT Study (DWELLING)
by blondie ina real dwelling for the faithful.
dwelling for his name people today?
8, 9. in what ways did jehovah prove to be a. real dwelling for jacob, and what can we learn.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
11. What lesson can we learn from the patriarchs?
That marrying relatives is good and taking multiple wives is even better. And if you don't get enough sons from your wives, start banging their maids. And don't forget "faithful Lot" who knocked up his own daughters after his wife got turned into a kitchen condiment.